Why is it when people are
presented the facts in a discussion to a question or statement they make, they
either refuse to believe, choose to believe the lie, or just move onto another topic
without ever acknowledging that they were just proven wrong. Here is a recent discussion that I had with a
friend of mind on Facebook.
She starts off the
discussion about Healthcare and it moved onto democracy vs. Republic, to
Slavery. This is what I mean about being
confronted with the facts, once she was shown to be wrong, she quickly moved
onto another topic, and each time the facts proved her wrong again, she moved
on to another one....
Here she starts off on the healthcare topic
Rodney
Quinn Easy, follow the damn constitution.
It outlines I believe 16 enumerated powers and the rest was for the states and
local levels. I'll give you a secret, welfare, EBT, handouts, bail outs,
subsidies, etc are not an enumerated power. The constitution was written to
limit government greatly.
Chris Peckham We are not allowed to cross state lines?
Tracey
Lapole You know I do not have a problem
with that. But the biggest thing we did wrong was to create the federal
reserve. All the rest of things would not be an issue if that one act had not
occurred. We would be floating in prosperity.
Chris Peckham I agree, the federal reserve is illegal....but I don't
think it's the root of all bad things going on...
Tracey
Lapole I know it is!! We sold our
sovereignty to a banking cartel. Not only the ours but the whole worlds. Take
it from an Ex banker! We have had the largest heist in history happen over the last
20 to 30 years.
Tracey
Lapole So I shall not blame the poor, for
it was stolen from them! It as stlen from the middle class also!
Tracey
Lapole Wow getting tired too many typos
time for bed!
Chris Peckham I blame democracy for our current problem just as much as
the fed...
Tracey
Lapole Democracy is a form of government
in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or through
elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It
encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and
equal practice of political self-determination. Doesn't sound like such a bad
thing without greed and power!
Chris Peckham A democracy cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that
they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment
on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits
from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. Democracy just plain
doesn’t work. And it inevitably leads to tyranny. In a democracy there are no
constraints on the government, the majority can impose its will on the
minority. The US is actually a Republic. It is governed by rule of law. The
elected is supposed to be bound by oath to the written governing limits (ie
constitution) yet vote "together" and create laws to address concerns
of the represented in a democratic way. In a republic, a constitution or
charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away
by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a
"pure" democracy, the majority is not restrained and can impose its
will on the minority. Our Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they
gave us a Republic and not a democracy.
Here I point out we are not a democracy and she jumps to
slavery and the lie of the 3/5 compromise
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Tracey Lapole So if we had a republic there never would have been
slavery? But when they voted for the republic they considered Blacks to be
three fifths of a person.
Tracey
Lapole oops!
Here she repeats the lie of the 3/5 compromise
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Chris Peckham The Constitution did not say that blacks were three fifths
of a person.
Tracey Lapole In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects
certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, unless
you were a black person then you were only 3/5 of a person. Even that was
abused.
Chris Peckham The Constitution did not say that blacks were three fifths
of a person.
Tracey
Lapole The Three-Fifths Compromise is
found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:
Now she references the section of the Constitution that
the lie is referring to.
Chris Peckham This is a lie that the democrats
have been telling people for years to make republicans look like racists,, when
it is in fact the democrats that have a more active historical role in racism than
republicans. In 1787, delegates from 13 colonies were meeting in Philadelphia
trying to hammer out a document to form a new union — The United States of
America. Different colonies, though, had different goals. The Northern colonies
were determined to end slavery. Southern colonies felt slavery was necessary
for their economic survival. The issue came to a head during discussions on how
the populations of the various states would be counted to determine
representation in the newly formed House of Representatives. Convention
delegates opposed to slavery (generally from the North) wanted to count only
the free inhabitants of each state. Southern delegates wanted every slave
counted. Why? Because the higher population numbers would give them more
members in the House. A compromise was reached. For the purpose of
congressional apportionment, Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the new
Constitution provided that the state populations would be determined by the
number of free persons in each state and adding “three fifths of all other
persons.” In other words, for every 100 slaves in the state, 60 people would be
added to its population count. Indentured slaves were counted as free persons
and “Indians not taxed” were left out of the tally entirely. There was NO
mention of race and NO suggestion that anyone counted as three-fifths of a
human being. In fact, if the three fifths compromise had not been in the
Constitution and the "all other persons" had been counted a one, the
south would have had more seats in the Congress and slavery may not have been
outlawed, because the democrats in the south wanted slavery to continue.
When she
is given the facts of the 3/5 compromise, she then changes to the lie that
the racist democrats of the past became the racist republicans of the
present
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Tracey
Lapole Very true the southerners were all
democrats until the civil rights movement then they became good republicans.
Chris Peckham That's another false hood. Johnson was a democrat that
opposed the civil rights bill. Nixon, a republican was in favor of it.
Tracey Lapole Alas Chris, I am sure that the racism I witnessed while
living in the south was a pure figment of my active imagination.
Robert
E. Brown I don't
think the south is the only place you can find racism.
Tracey
Lapole I agree totally Robert! I said when
I moved up north to be a Yankee that the difference between the north and the
south is they were proud of their prejudice in the south, and in the north they
pretend not to be and many of their hearts really are!
Chris Peckham I never said there wasn't racism. There is racism
everywhere. I'm just pointing out how our history has been revised by the
democrats to harness the black vote. Again it was Johnson that said “I’ll have
those n.-.---s voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” What I have presented
are factual arguments to democrat charges about our History, but yet when democrats
are confronted with the facts, they just say, well there is racism everywhere,
but never admit that they have been lied too. Just lick I hear so many people
make the claim that republicans think black are only three fifths of a person,
or that the racist democrats became the republicans...these things didn't
happen. And yet when democrats are shown these to be untrue, they can't admit
that they have been lied to. But what they need to think about is...What else
have they been lie to about??
And then after she never admits that she has gotten
incorrect information and can't defend her assertions, she finishes with
this statement...?
Tracey
Lapole I am so proud to be raised by one
of the most beautiful human beings ever, my mom Marsha! She taught me so well
and showed love and kindness every day by her actions! We were very blessed to
be given the best example of what it means to be a unselfish and loving and
caring and kind human beings!
This
is why the democrat party is losing influence, they can't defend their
assertions and when confronted with facts, they take of an a rabbit trail of
other assertions, that can't be defended either. And if the lapdog media would do their jobs
and return to being the watchdogs for America, the democrat party would fade
away or realize they need to be more supportive of the Constitution.
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